UPDATE 2009:
Time to 'divert' from interesting distractions and bring the blog back on course. This is all about Kanji/Hanzi with a focus on the latter. I repost the very first post here and add the promised continuation at the end. Happy New Year's reading!
Posted on December 17, 2008:
I've been doodling around with this idea for a while, but then I joined ChinesePod.com today and found this little "Component Video" and thought it might be time to stop doodling and to leave the draft board ....
Here is a nice little phrase I picked up at nciku
Does it seem difficult to learn this? To learn it enough so you can write it from memory without a trace of hesitation or need to scratch your head?The good news are that it is not at all difficult if you use a component-based approach to Chinese Characters. It can be time-consuming, but that is not really the same as difficult. For certain types of memories/brains it does not seem to take more than a matter of weeks or a few months to learn 2000+ characters with a single keyword - "meaning" - associated with the Kanji/Hanzi.
There are different approaches to this but I happened to start with Japanese and James W. Heisig's "Remembering the Kanji" (download generous sample in pdf-format) many years ago. After many, many delays there is also a "Remembering the Hanzi" available, that is: the first part of two, together covering 3000 characters. There are samples available of both the simplified and traditional editions. Read the introductions to get a good understanding of what all this is about.
To make a long story short: "the Heisig method" is indeed very smart and works as advertised if you follow the rules, so to say. But ..... Not all of us have the kind of time, patience and creative imagination it takes to get through all the 2000+ for Japanese and the 3000 characters for Chinese before really starting to read and write.
So when I, some four months ago, put Japanese on the shelf for a while to study Mandarin instead, I also started to think about alternative ways to take the best of Heisig's work and to apply it to a more combined approach with learning the proper language, i.e. including pronunciations and vocabulary.
It's not really fair to compare myself with a beginner since I have been studying and writing Kanji for many years, but the totally effortless process of learning Hanzi, pronunciation, and building vocabulary is very, very encouraging and promising. I am very interested in testing how this will work for absolute beginners and intermediate students of Chinese wanting to learn the written language in a more profound way. Note that "written" also means being able to write from decent to great Hanzi as well.
Sounds interesting? Check back here now and then and see what's happening. The first step will be to wipe away the fog from cā yăn jìng as a first demonstration of the Power of Component Analysis.
Continued on January 15, 2009:
(Hmmm .. Didn't remember it was such a total cliff hanger :-) ) Most of the images were already prepared, though, so I will go through this as briefly as possible.

First you might want to check this character out a nciku.com and also see the stroke order animation. This is not one of the most complex characters you will meet, but it does belong to the upper division; 17 strokes is not a minor and simple character. It's pronounced cā as you could see in the beginning above.
So the next task is to break this beauty apart and see how it was created, so to say. The very first item that sticks out is the simplified hand to the left:

Since the hand looks like this in its full form (left)

So next in line is the right part of the character, which is a full character too, which you can inspect on nciku.com. I keep on showing new components in the context of the full character cā here:

To get down to the first memo-combination here, we the have "Mr Fingers" "scrutinizing/observing" something. But what is he watching? First let's establish where this is taking place: In a house, of course! Watch the chimney on top of the roof!





Now, my patient readers, we just have one tiny detail left in the house of sacrifice: the cut-off hand/arm.


The forth character above is interesting since is the very Han in Hanzi, Chinese Character. When the revolutionaries simplified - some would say ruined - some of the original characters, this was originally something entirely different. Just look and you can see only an arm or a crotch there:

So is it worth all the trouble to dissect characters like this? The time it takes at first? Yes, I think it is. It's more fun than starting to learn 15000-2042-3000 characters in one sitting, so to say. (It took me three attempts to get to 2042, that is several months distributed over many years.) The components learned in a rather complex characters like this can be re-used in dozens of new characters. Will you ever forget ALTAR? That is: if you follow the most important recommendation here: Write the character and then write it again, and again ..... Look and write!
To be continued and finished with one much, much easier and one not too difficult character:
Hi, I also just found out about the Hanzi version of this book. Brilliance! I like it a lot but don't agree with the authors not including the Chinese words themselves along with the characters. I was taking a Chinese quiz for fun recently and knew the meaning of a character from the sample of the Remembering Hanzi book but didn't know the actual Mandarin pronunciation/pinyin that went go along with it. I will probably buy the book and then use Nciku (wow, you use this too! Love it.) to learn the pronunciation and write in the pinyin for each frame. I've been contributing to the blog umassamherstchinese.blogspot.com Check it out if you like. :-) I found you via your comments on Chinesepod.com. I liked the Radical show for a first episode...too bad they won't be doing another one. It was definitely very elementary but that could be easily fixed. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteOops...that's actually umasschinese.blogspot.com
ReplyDelete:-)
Thanks for the comment!
ReplyDeleteIt took me three attempts to get through Remembering the Kanji, but it is of immense value now when I learn Mandarin. I really don't have to LEARN new Hanzi; the simply slip into memory with no effort at all, even the new (simplified) ones not in the Japanese Kanji set.
I see that some people (like over at
http://forum.koohii.com/index.php seem to think that you also need the Remembering the Hanzi if you are to study Chinese after Heisig and Japanese. Me thinks ABSOLUTELY NOT!
I am using a totally different approach now. I learn the Hanzi with pronunciation and as many words/sentences as I find reasonable and run it all in Anki. The huge advantage of Chinese is that it lends itself to phonetics much better than Japanese (with its multitude of different readings of each Kanji). It's a clever strategy to add Hanzi with the same phonetic "radical" even if the pronunciation might differ a bit: 青,清,精,晴,请 etc. When it happens you can even use this approach when the phonetic is different one like in 静 from 争 and the add 净. I guess it's all about creating connections in your memory.
That said I find the idea of creating vivid stories based on character components - a la Heisig - is an excellent method to learn Kanji/Hanzi. My main objection re Hanzi is that I almost get a nervous breakdown contemplating the idea of going through THREE THOUSAND Hanzi before starting to learn a single word of Chinese! Ouch! Thus this project where I will attempt to offer an alternative to this rather overwhelming approach.
Thanks for the link to the blog. Will look now.
I am pretty close to being your 'test case' as I am still just beginning to get some confidence with recognizing a few characters on CPod dialogues (Newbie and very, very 'ellie' as Ken would call it). I have never taken a course in mandarin other than a night school conversation class to get me started with ni hao, da jia hao and xie xie. But I'm hooked. I also popped over to Ge Daozhen's blog and will be a visitor there too.
ReplyDeleteWelcome, 'test case' graham :-)
ReplyDeleteI was overly optimistic re: getting more material up before the holidays, but now it's all over .....
Well, "test" was perhaps sounding like I really don't know if it's pretty easy - though time-consuming - to learn how to read and write Kanji/Hanzi without having to endure the rather long route Heisig insists on not learning readings (pronunciations) and words until you know a staggering 3000 characters. Yikes! 2000 Kanji was pretty steep .....
Will soon come with more material.
All the best!